1 STATE OF RHODE ISLAND AND PROVIDENCE PLANTATIONS
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3 PROCEEDINGS AT HEARING
4 IN RE:
5 REVIEW OF PROPOSED QUORUM
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7 DATE: JUNE 22ND, 2007
8 TIME: 9:00 A.M.
9 PLACE: DEPT. OF LABOR AND TRAINING
10 APPRENTICESHIP COUNCIL
11 1511 PONTIAC AVENUE
12 CRANSTON, RHODE ISLAND
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14 BEFORE: WILLIAM HOLMES, CHAIRMAN
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16 PRESENT:
17 FOR THE APPRENTICESHIP COUNCIL . . . . . .
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19 WILLIAM RILEY HAROLD "BUDDY" EKNO
20 WILLIAM LEPORE, JR. JOSEPH CONTARINO
21 EDWIN L. SULLIVAN, JR. VALENTINO LOMBARDI
22 DAVID F. RAMPONE
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2 (HEARING COMMENCED AT 9:31 A.M.)
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4 MR. HOLMES: Call the meeting
5 to order, it's shown that we have a quorum. First
6 order of business would the acceptance of the May
7 22nd meeting. Which I believe all board members have
8 a copy.
9 Any questions or discussion on the
10 minutes? Hearing non, all those in favor signify by
11 saying I.
12 ALL PRESENT: I.
13 MR. HOLMES: Those opposed? I's
14 have it.
15 Item one, read us the rules, Buddy.
16 MR. EKNO: As of an ùù in item
17 one, everything was in the proper order, and if so
18 desired, pass it by the council, if their desire is.
19 MR. CONTARINO: I make a motion
20 to approve.
21 MR. RAMPONE: Second.
22 MR. HOLMES: Questions on any
23 item ùù any item in article one? Hearing non, all
24 those in favor signify by saying I.
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2 ALL PRESENT: I.
3 MR. HOLMES: Opposed. I's have
4 it. Item two.
5 MR. EKNO: Number two, new
6 companies on ùù are item two are regular passes by
7 council if so desired.
8 MR. CONTARINO: I make to
9 motion.
10 MR. HOLMES: Questions,
11 discussions? Hearing non, all those in favor signify
12 by saying I.
13 ALL PRESENT: I.
14 MR. HOLMES: Item three,
15 completion certificates.
16 MR. EKNO: Number three, the
17 completion certificates are made up and ready too
18 pass out to the different companies for their
19 apprentices if so desired by the council.
20 MR. CONTARINO: I make that
21 motion.
22 MR. RILEY: Second.
23 MR. HOLMES: Any
24 questions? Hearing non, all those in favor signify
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1 by saying I.
2 ALL PRESENT: I.
3 MR. HOLMES: Opposed. I's have
4 it.
5 A new item, apprentice cancellation.
6 MR. EKNO: Yup, we're putting
7 cancellations on there now. In item number four,
8 apprentice cancellations, on the second page there,
9 all these are cancellations from the different
10 sponors.
11 We're putting them so they'll be on
12 record so the cancellations that are going outside
13 on the outside. And it's just information that we
14 recorded for the council.
15 MR. CONTARINO: Is that a
16 list?
17 MR. EKNO: Yeah, that's why we
18 put it there.
19 MR. HOLMES: Is this fairly
20 difficult Buddy?
21 MR. EKNO: But, now because
22 it's getting overwhelmed with cancellations, it is
23 pay to you, the council's attention.
24 MR. RILEY: But, I have a
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1 question. How long of a period does that represent?
2 Since the last meeting or six months, a year?
3 MR. EKNO: It would probably be
4 six months, Bill.
5 MR. HOLMES: Going forward it
6 will be monthly.
7 MR. EKNO: It will be every
8 month. Most of these that you see on here, are ùù
9 they drop out anywhere from the first six weeks ùù
10 six months to a year.
11 We used ùù we used to do that and then we
12 dropped it for some reason. It took a lot of time, a
13 lot of space, as you can see. And it's going to get
14 bigger and bigger.
15 MR. CONTARINO: I think it's a
16 good idea too.
17 MR. RILEY: Buddy, do some of
18 these go into a different shop? And then they have
19 to reùregister, right?
20 MR. EKNO: They have to
21 reùregister, it would obviously be the same names
22 with another company, another sponsor.
23 MR. HOLMES: Motion to accept
24 the information.
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2 MR. CONTARINO: So moved.
3 MR. RILEY: Second.
4 MR. HOLMES: Any other
5 questions? Hearing non, signify all those in favor
6 by saying I.
7 ALL PRESENT: I.
8 MR. LEPORE: Mr. Chairman,
9 consider this list, is there anyway that this can be
10 public ùù publicized so that when people claim they
11 can't find help?
12 MR. HOLMES: These minutes are
13 public record.
14 Item five. None?
15 MR. EKNO: None on item five.
16 MR. HOLMES: Item six. None.
17 Item seven, reminder E-sack will be next week in
18 Washington. I believe it's not too late if anyone
19 is interested in going.
20 Item eight, any other all
21 business. Item eight, no business.
22 MR. EKNO: None.
23 MR. HOLMES: Okay,
24 motion. Further discussion, apprenticeship
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1 ratios. What the board has in front of them, is the
2 culmination of the subcommittee work, three rather
3 long public hearings.
4 And the debate and this pretty much is,
5 well it is the recommendation of the subcommittee of
6 the department or discussion upon ourselves. From
7 what I've been told, by our esteemed attorney, the
8 procedure is that the subcommittee did their work,
9 presents a recommendation to the full board.
10 At which time, the full board make
11 adopt it as, may change it, may do whatever and
12 adopt a document with regards to ratios. At which
13 sometime, if a group representing 25 people or 25
14 people ùù
15 MR. LOMBARDI: At that time,
16 there will be finalizing and the Secretary of State
17 and at the same time, the notice would be sent to
18 newspaper that rules are being adopted. And if 25
19 people or more ùù a group of that ùù has 25 would
20 request a public hearing. A public hearing would be
21 held. And then after that, then the rules would
22 become finalized.
23 MR. HOLMES: So, the bottom
24 line is that the public hearing is not official,
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1 unless it's requested.
2 MR. LOMBARDI: Yes.
3 MR. HOLMES: And if it's not
4 requested, they're at the Secretary of States, they
5 become promulgated and that is that ùù that's the
6 document that we go by.
7 MR. LOMBARDI: That's correct.
8 The publication should indicate that the hearing
9 would take place withing that 30 day period of time,
10 so that wouldn't delay it.
11 You shouldn't have your public hearing
12 like three months after. You would have it within
13 that same period of time. So you could work within.
14 But it should be ùù should work within,
15 you know, three ùù you know the 30 days, no more
16 than probably, you know, 45 days.
17 The adoption is after the public
18 hearing ùù after the public hearing and after
19 comment is taken, if there is a public hearing.
20 MR. HOLMES: Any questions?
21 Okay. What I think we should do right
22 now is probably review the presentation. The
23 discussion will amongst the board members. We have
24 enough public hearing, no offense to those that are
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1 here.
2 So, it's time for the board to
3 deliberation on the subcommittee's
4 recommendation. And probably the only questions may
5 be of legal and or the department.
6 And we'll go from there, okay? Is that
7 all right with all the board members?
8 Why didn't we start with the
9 presentation that most of us saw, but not all of us.
10 And were some changes, subcommittee made a few
11 changes to that.
12 We go through apprenticeships, that's
13 just basic information, how rations work.
14 And then we have the history of what
15 has happened up to this point. And in the intern we
16 went to one to one for the effected trades the DLT
17 informs the effected trades of the intern ratio.
18 Those are the commercial
19 ratios. Prevailing wage finds, this is mainly for
20 information that was presented to us.
21 The impact of commercial rations,
22 community feedback.
23 But, as we stand right now everything
24 that is in yellow can not be changed.
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1 MR. CONTARINO: I don't make
2 the rules.
3 MR. HOLMES: Unchanged
4 ratios. Then we to get the other suggested changes,
5 if you will. The first one for discussion, the
6 prevailing wage ratios.
7 In prevailing wage jobs, both union and
8 nonùunion follow ratios set by the Collective
9 Bargaining Agreement. That was passed in the
10 subcommittee by a vote of two to one.
11 You want to discuss this or move
12 through all of them?
13 MR. LEPORE: I have a question
14 on the opposed ratio changes page. They want to
15 start in manufacturing. It seems to me that that
16 should be clarified. There is a difference between
17 manufacturing and people working in a shop for the
18 truck operations.
19 MR. HOLMES: As I recall the
20 discussion, it was meant for ùù in terminology is
21 both, manufacturing and shops would fall in to that
22 category.
23 By the way, just for clarification just
24 so you know, the subcommittee was myself, Joe
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1 Contarino, and Bill Riley. Just so ùù for the
2 record.
3 That was the subcommittee and that's ùù
4 these are the votes that came back as the
5 recommendation from the subcommittee.
6 MR. RAMPONE: In prevailing
7 wage ratios, when the electrician is Federal Law
8 that says their collective bargaining agreement
9 trumps whatever we second any way.
10 I got an issue with the ratios being
11 equal. If they're going to be equal, then they
12 should all. You can't just cherry pick. I want to
13 ratios the same.
14 But everything else, I can do on ùù the
15 way I want. So, I think either I would vote against
16 that. Or I would say, if they're going to have the
17 same ratio, then they need to have the same pay
18 scale on prevailing wage jobs. They need to have the
19 same training. I mean, you can't just pick one thing
20 to be equal at and not all of the others.
21 MR. HOLMES: Any other comments
22 on this issue?
23 All right, let's move on for now. And
24 get through all of it, come back.
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1 And other suggested changes, out of
2 state journey persons, licensed journey persons from
3 other states shall not be permitted to register as
4 apprentices with the Rhode Island State
5 Apprenticeship Council. That was voted three to
6 nothing to concur with that recommendation by the
7 subcommittee.
8 Let me back up one more time. Basically
9 this presentation was a recommendation of the
10 department of labor presented to the
11 subcommittee. The subcommittee deliberated on it,
12 made some changes and that's what's being
13 brought. So that's the history of what has gone on
14 with this document.
15 Okay. So this was suggested by the
16 subcommittee three to nothing to adopt this proposed
17 change.
18 This other suggested change, which
19 personally I think is a great idea but I was also
20 told that it probably doesn't fit in the ratio
21 discussion, that we'll probably have to take this up
22 at a later time with the rest of our rules and
23 regulations.
24 And the subcommittee agrees with
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1 that. And would suggest that we take this up as soon
2 as probable. This with apprentice wages began at 50
3 percent of the journey man wages and to be increased
4 with every 1,000 hours of apprenticeship. There was
5 much discussion this as well as how much it should
6 be increased each time. Because, it's all over the
7 board. Some people ùù some programs increase five
8 percent every six months, some programs do more.
9 There are also some programs out there
10 that go 50, 51, 52, 53. It doesn't seem plausible to
11 me, but that's not a discussion under the ratio
12 issue. That is discussion that we probably need to
13 take after this discussion is over.
14 Okay. Next steps, this is where we
15 are. I think our attorney has informed the audience
16 as to what we will be doing. And then one final
17 reminder, any employer with five or more apprentices
18 must follow the affirmative action hiring
19 practices.
20 These are all an attempt to create a
21 document eventually, that's going to be easy to
22 understand. Hopefully, not debatable, hopefully not
23 debatable, and as you say, cherry pick. And have
24 everything in one document.
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2 And as a reminder to everybody and to
3 elevate all confusion. At which point, one of the
4 things that has been discussed with the
5 subcommittee, is it needs to be clearly stated,
6 because it has blown up and really drawn out of
7 proportion.
8 With the issues of one to one rations,
9 and I open up this to the board. I think my
10 interpretation is every single contractor has a one
11 to one ratio for his first apprentice. Any
12 contractor that hires one journey man, has the
13 ability to hire one apprentice.
14 He can get his second apprentice when
15 there's six. And then it goes any further
16 apprentices are hired under whatever ratios are set
17 from that point on.
18 It seemed like during the public
19 hearings, and I've asked Joe and Bill to comment on
20 this, that that issue really has gotten lost in
21 the discussion.
22 It has got blown up that it is one to
23 one forever. And then well that was requested one
24 to one. And it wasn't and people seemed to be losing
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1 track that there was a fact that there is one to one
2 for the first one.
3 At this point, you know, that isn't an
4 issue that whatever comes out of this, hopefully,
5 that will not change. And that should be clearly
6 stated in whatever document we have.
7 I think the confusion was the
8 terminology fraction thereof, was the basic
9 terminology that created the one to one theory.
10 We've been adjudicating on one to one
11 for the first one, since I've been here, for the
12 first apprentice. And I think some people have taken
13 that way of the context. Joe or Bill.
14 MR. CONTARINO: I have to agree
15 with you. Since we started, it's always been that
16 way. It's always been one to one.
17 MR. RILEY: I agree.
18 MR. HOLMES: Do you agree with
19 the discussion that came off the floor that there
20 seemed to be quite a bit of confusion out there
21 about that. That they didn't realize that, like the
22 Mom and Pop stores as they talked about could have
23 one apprentice for one journey man. Could have their
24 second apprentice five journey men.
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2 And it was brought up during the
3 discussion that, you know, a company that had four
4 or five journey men or a Mom and Pop type store
5 would have to have at least that many before the
6 owner could go û- go into his office to
7 realistically run his business.
8 You know, not just the safety issue and
9 the training issue. So, I would like to make it
10 perfectly clear to everybody. That there is that
11 available. The Mom and Pop stores. The minority
12 community that was discussed. That they feel that it
13 was not fair to those people, they have that
14 ability.
15 And unfortunately some people haven't
16 even used it, or maybe haven't understood it.
17 So whatever document we end up, I would
18 like to suggest that we make that issue above all is
19 clarified. Very plain and clear.
20 If it's in bold red and underlined and
21 everything else.
22 With that being said, why don't we run
23 through this sheet real quick. And then we'll
24 definitely open it up to whatever discussion amongst
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1 the board.
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3 As you can see on the first page, most
4 of the discussion, I got to say probably 90 percent
5 of the discussion, revolved around the electrical
6 industry.
7 There are ùù there are ratios. And then
8 there are contractual ratios. This is the end result
9 of the recommendation of the department. It was
10 clarified in the manufacturing end. That it's one to
11 one for the first one.
12 And then one to there after on
13 commercial. One to one in residential. One to one
14 and then one to three in manufacturing slash shop.
15 One of the things that was discussed
16 quite a bit, in this area was the electric boats of
17 the world, that they may have issues in there that
18 are just as serious as the commercial side.
19 I have to say that you'll notice that
20 as we go through this, a lot of the discussion that
21 was held from the public seemed to revolve a lot
22 around the residential area.
23 And that's where the subcommittee has
24 seen ùù seen that heard it and tried to make some
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1 adjustments to that area.
2 Moving down. All the things in
3 yellow. Or the explanation is over the right hand
4 column. You can see where it comes from and the
5 history of it.
6 All the ones yellow are controlled by
7 the law.
8 The operating engineers, they have one
9 to five. And they are governed by license.
10 MR. RAMPONE: They have a
11 secondary issue, in that apprentice or no if you
12 didn't have a license you can't be on the crane
13 running it anyway.
14 MR. HOLMES: Just so you know,
15 on a commercial side it's one to five, correct?
16 MR. SULLIVAN: Right.
17 MR. HOLMES: You don't have
18 residential, or do you?
19 MR. SULLIVAN: No.
20 MR. HOLMES: It should be noted
21 that it is one to five and it is governed by
22 licensing issues.
23 Master mechanical contractor one to one
24 and then one it three. As we go ùù as we go down the
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2 I never realized that there were so
3 many categories when we first started doing this. I
4 started out with a list like and it has grown quite
5 a bit.
6 But we don't want anybody to feel
7 slighted so, it is ùù again in the effort to make it
8 as clear as mud, or as clear as day I should
9 day. Let's spell out everything.
10 So, as we continue down, most of them
11 are governed by law and the others were set,
12 basically one to one for the first one and then one
13 to three thereafter.
14 Then we get to the last page which is
15 basically the unlicensed trades.
16 MR. RAMPONE: What if we have
17 no apprentices?
18 MR. HOLMES: Pretty much.
19 MR. RAMPONE: I find it hard to
20 believe there's not a single indentured carpenter or
21 brick layer now. I am talking not union.
22 MR. CONTARINO: Sure there are.
23 MR. RAMPONE: Who?
24 MR. EKNO: We have one company
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1 that's out there.
2 MR. HOLMES: And they don't
3 have anybody.
4 MR. EKNO: They have one
5 apprentice.
6 MR. RAMPONE: In all the
7 unlicensed trades, there are no nonùunion indentured
8 apprentices. I find that amazing.
9 MR. HOLMES: So, the board will
10 understand why there is a difference on the
11 commercial end, down that commercial column. This
12 it what has been, either by their collective
13 bargaining agreement, this is what they've been
14 doing right along. As you said there has been no
15 other one.
16 So, I mean we didn't change this. This
17 is what's in existence right now.
18 The residential area, again we heard
19 and we listened to the public comment and do see in
20 some cases that there would be issues in the
21 residential end.
22 I have to take myself out of the chair
23 one second and speak as a carpenter. If you look
24 down the residential column under carpenters, I have
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1 one to five in the residential. And we do quite a
2 bit of work in condos and three units of less;
3 I have one to five. At the
4 subcommittee, that was rejected by a two to one
5 margin. I really ùù I have that by collective
6 bargaining, and I think it should be there.
7 And when you move over one more column
8 to the manufacturing slash shop. In by cabinet shops
9 I have one to four. And I would like to consider
10 reaching for that in those categories. They ùù both
11 of those were union.
12 But, in my shops the one to four, I
13 really believe in the safety issue. It's really
14 necessary not to have one to one. And have an
15 apprentice operating in a lot of computerized
16 machinery.
17 As the chair, I have to present what's
18 presented. But, representing the carpenters, I have
19 to say that that's not the case that's not the
20 reality and I would request a change which is
21 something that we can do by this entire board.
22 And I believe the iron workers had one
23 to five in a shop, because they have some shop
24 situations as well. Those were the only other
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1 changes to this sheet.
2 With that, that is pretty much the
3 history. Joe and Bill at this time.
4 Oh, okay. That's this one. We will
5 pass. out another document here. If you look at the
6 language, the stars at the bottom.
7 With the regard to prevailing wage
8 projects, since that the Federal Law mandates that
9 the applicable provisions of a collective bargaining
10 agreement (CBA), be considered in the determining
11 ratios. It is suggested that if the ratio in a CBA
12 from the ratio set, the prevailing wage unit should
13 the CBA ratio for the specific project involved.
14 Naturally, there would have to exist a
15 CBA for the trade and prevailing wage would be privy
16 to that document.
17 Val, you want to elaborate on that,
18 please?
19 MR. LOMBARDI: Yes, after
20 discussion gentlemen I met on the council, the
21 department had considered a situation whereby the ùù
22 most cases the CBA ratio was more favorable. And, so
23 noone is opposed to it. We did not consider a
24 situation whereby the CBA ratio might be less
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1 favorable.
2 And we figured that it would never
3 happen. It probably would not happen. But, just to
4 speak to that we add language. Just in case
5 something like that happens. We don't foresee it.
6 That's the only change by the department.
7 MR. RAMPONE: Okay.
8 MR. LOMBARDI: That's the
9 change that the department would recommend.
10 MR. HOLMES: Joe and then Bill,
11 if you would comment of the subcommittee process and
12 then we'll start with questions and answers.
13 MR. CONTARINO: I have nothing.
14 MR. RILEY: I thought it went
15 very well. We heard from the public as well as many
16 outside contractors. And got many recommendations
17 and letters and eùmails and so forth. And I thought
18 it went pretty well.
19 MR. HOLMES: With that, I guess
20 I would ùù it should be noted that Bill of Rhode
21 Island has forwarded after the recommendations of
22 the subcommittee, has forward to all members of the
23 board their comments. They were not able to be here
24 today. All of the board members, I believe, received
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1 that for information.
2 It will be posted, their comments will
3 be posted. And just like all of the other documents
4 and letters that were submitted to us, were as far
5 as I know, were posted on the website. And this one
6 was just received yesterday. With some good
7 points. I'm sure the board members took it into
8 consideration.
9 Okay. With that, I would open it up to
10 any questions or discussion before we give to ùù
11 anybody that wasn't at these hearings need
12 clarification on any issue. We can try to do
13 that. And we go from there.
14 MR. RAMPONE: The only issue I
15 don't have a problem with lowering the ratio rows
16 with the amount on there.
17 I do have an issue with making both
18 sides equal without make equal everything. I also
19 have to add that eight and a half weeks I sent the
20 letter to the ethics commission asking for an
21 opinion. The letter said they'll get back to me in
22 two weeks. eight and a half weeks later, nobody's
23 gotten back to me.
24 MR. HOLMES: Let that record
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1 show that Mr. Rampone had requested that and should
2 he end up voting.
3 In the same ùù that same vain and I
4 would ask Val in the this same vain. You know, I
5 represent carpenters, Joe represents brick
6 layers. Would we have that same issue with voting on
7 those pieces, you know, Eddy has operating
8 engineers, electricians everybody ùù all of us would
9 have a similar type.
10 MR. LOMBARDI: You're here on
11 the board because of your position with areas of
12 trades and expertise.
13 It's always an issue when you consider
14 whether or not your vote is such that it's going to
15 personally ùù you would gain from that
16 personally. Or your organization would gain from
17 that personally.
18 If it's something that generally
19 everyone is gaining from, you know, I think it's
20 would be okay. If it's personal, something personal,
21 you gain from it, I think, that's something you have
22 to consider. And if you feel that way, then you
23 can't get an opinion, then you can always refuse. Or
24 abstain.
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2 Abstain from the vote meaning you have
3 no comment. If you choose you can't comment on that.
4 MR. RAMPONE: Whatever happens
5 with the electrician has no bearing on my life one
6 way or the other. What happens with the pipe fitter,
7 and that's directly I mean.
8 Mr. Chairman, due to the fact that
9 there are several members from the council
10 missing. And, plus, I want to digest this with this
11 is very important. I think we have digested a bit
12 more and postpone for a couple weeks at
13 least. That's what I would recommend.
14 MR. RILEY: I think we're here,
15 we should do it today.
16 MR. CONTARINO: I think there's
17 too many factors involved to do something that we
18 got people missing. This is going to affect a lot of
19 people's lives.
20 I want to review more before I make a
21 vote. Because to be honest with you, I think the
22 pitching is too fast. Like I said, it's going to
23 affect not only contracts, but main thing it's going
24 to affect the prices.
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2 And that is the life work of the United
3 States. I mean, it's the industry everything. I
4 think we better be very careful. And reconsider all
5 this information before we cast the last and final
6 vote that's going to be finalized.
7 MR. EKNO: Are you putting that
8 in a formal motion?
9 MR. CONTARINO: Yes, I am.
10 MR. EKNO: I second that.
11 MR. HOLMES: A motion has been
12 made and seconded to lay on the table, you said two
13 weeks, possibly until our next scheduled meeting ùù
14 MR. CONTARINO: That's fine.
15 MR. HOLMES: ùù July 24th. The
16 motion has been made and seconded. Discussion.
17 MR. RILEY: I would like to do
18 it today. We've had plenty of time to digest, this
19 we've had three public hearings. I mean, and the
20 people that are missing, they should have been here
21 and kept up to speed.
22 MR. LEPORE: This is the first
23 meeting that the subcommittee is reporting back to
24 board.
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1 MR. CONTARINO: That's what I'm
2 saying.
3 MR. HOLMES: I would say that
4 there's at least three of you that, you know, this
5 is basically the first time you are seeing it.
6 I guess there will be a chance that
7 Bill O'Rourke will be the back next month. And he
8 hasn't heard any of this. And he probably just
9 received the packet in the mail, so.
10 Any other questions or discussion on
11 the motion. Hearing non, all those in favor signify
12 by saying I.
13 MR. LEPORE: I.
14 MR. SULLIVAN: I.
15 MR. RAMPONE: I.
16 MR. CONTARINO: I.
17 MR. EKNO: I.
18 MR. HOLMES: Opposed.
19 MR. RILEY: Opposed.
20 MR. HOLMES: I's have it.
21 With that ùù with that as we heard it
22 will be tables until next meeting.
23 Just so we'll bring the director up to
24 date on what we just did. We have gone through the
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1 recommendation of the subcommittee, there have been
2 some questions, there have been some discussion. A
3 motion was made because the full committee is just,
4 some of the full committee is just getting it.
5 There are a little bit confused on some
6 of the issue and would like a little more time to
7 digest. Motion was made and seconded. And carried
8 to delay to until next month's meeting,
9 Basically, the proposal is on the
10 table. We've been explained by attorney of what the
11 procedure that will either have to adopt it or amend
12 and then go forward from there.
13 So at this time, the motion made and
14 carried that it will be tabled one more month.
15 I would let the record show that in the
16 meantime that the one to one ratio would continue. I
17 think last month, we extended for 60 more days,
18 anyway.
19 The original 60 days that we talked
20 about, last month we extended it 60. So I think
21 we're almost covered. But even if we're not, let the
22 record show that will continue to one to one until
23 these are promulgated.
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2 MR. HOLMES: Anything else that
3 comes before the council?
4 Anybody that did not receive letter
5 from the Bill of Rhode Island that the board
6 received just recently, I have a few copies
7 here. Please have it posted. There are a few copies
8 if somebody wants them. They submitted a letter of
9 comment on the subcommittee's recommendation. Any
10 other questions?
11 Motion to adjourn.
12 I thank the stenographer. I thank
13 everybody for coming. I apologize for the delay.
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4 I, Cassandra M. Capraro, a Notary
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7 accurate record of my stenographic notes that were
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